I have tried it. It's a little bullet with a decent velocity, but will it actually fill the freezer? The load that is a sure killer at 40 yards may be a crippler at 50. I was discouraged by the results, which prompted me to head back out and pattern test both shotguns with a small variety of ammo on hand.----- I used two guns for testing. Although my own agency uses a reduced-recoil tactical load, I was curious to see how a full-charge load would fare in these tests. Deformed #4 buckshot was excluded from the testing due to its inability to meet the gelatin penetration criteria at muzzle velocity. Hit probability was determined by shooting a Mossberg 590 from a shooting bench at various distances from a FLETC Transitional Target II with the (5) different cartridge types. The impact velocity versus penetration depth in ballistic gelatin for all evaluated buckshot types are below in Figure 10. Yeah, but we were more interested in what the rounds are actually doing at that distance. One need not be concerned about such while hunting deer, for example. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. FULL is even worse. What are the physical state of oxygen at room temperature? Want them to all be in about 6-8" use federal flight controled buck. Do you know the constriction of the remington bore? Shotguns increase hit probability by launching multiple projectiles per trigger pull but the limitation is that shotshells can only hold so many spheres or pellets. If you need proof, Brass Fetcher tested buckshot against ballistic gelatin at 50 yards and then managed to chronograph it at 50 yards (no small feat). Vang installed his compensation system on the barrel, back-bored the chamber, extended the magazine, installed a dome safety and sidesaddle spare shell carrier and worked on the action. hembree1 Predator Master Registered: 02/08/11 Posts: 88 . From a distance of about 8 feet, the double-barreled shotgun blows pie-pan-sized holes through the wall, cutting down his adversary. Federal Premium LE127 00 full power buckshot, 9-pellet I recommend RTS Tactical for reliable, rifle-stopping options, Youre worth it. It has also been proposed that, at distances beyond 25 yards, the pellets would not have sufficient energy to stop a suspect or, for instance, penetrate their leather coat. At 30 yards, my shotgun shoots an 18-inch pattern with most buckshot. Buckshot patterns fall apart quickly. in the head of a target for Jerry M. and all 9 rds hit in the head @ 25 yds. This gave the reasonable expectation that all shots taken during the dispersion testing were aimed at the center-of-mass of the FLETC Transitional Target II. Buckshot will kill you at 100 yards. Safe to say I wouldn't be afraid to try to kill a deer with these loads at that range (40 yards). For home defense #00 buckshot seems the best choice. Maybe not with the entire load, but enough to Hmmm, how many rounds are we going to fire to get enough pellets into this block?. This isn't very scientific, but the tightest patterning choke I had was an IC Benelli OEM choke that looked all grooved up inside. After much thought I am going to stick with my 000 buckshot. For really long range shooting, Federal's 00 buck loaded in its Flitecontrol wad is. Comparing the results between the Mossberg 500 and 590A1 is pretty interesting, as 4 inches less barrel did not make that much of a difference in the spread pattern. Given that the analysis done for this report focuses on the lethality/hit probability of the individual shot pellet in the shot cloud, it was necessary to determine how suitably the single-launched buckshot represents the terminal performance of each individual shot pellet expelled from a shotshell. The next test platform was a Mossberg 500 with an 18-inch barrel and bead sights. GDubya Registered Joined Mar 25, 2010 1,630 Posts WS6 We considered 50 yards the maximum range but we didn't worry about losing a crippled deer because the dogs would trail it up. The most extensive testing was done with #1 buckshot single-launched buckshot and #1 buckshot shotshells as they are in the middle of the tested group (#4, #1 and 00 buckshot) in terms of sectional density. Any choke will easily launch #4 buck out to 50 yards. I'm sure it depends heavily on the load, but the tests in the video were performed with a full-choked shotgun (a Mossberg 500) to give the test the best odds. If you are the intended victim, you will not have the element of surprise nor the initiative in the opening moments of the conflict two elements critical to the survival of such an event. So, we didnt actually test that one at 100, but we had plenty of the #00, so it took us, what, 11 or 12 shells to get 3 pellets in the gelatin at that distance? I would like to point out that you can get #2 buck in 20 ga, but only in 3 magnums, if that is of interest to you. CHRIS: If its the only we could come up with some scenario where it makes sense but its going to be pretty rare. #1 buck usually has 12 to 16 pellets. The maximum effective range of buckshot is 50 yards. Readily-found shotgun shells tend to fall into the performance category of deformed buckshot due to a lack of plating or an effective wadding system. We used two different loads: Federal FliteControl #1 and Federal FliteControl #00 8-pellet. JOHN: Right. No, I really havent Woody, but this is an interesting post, thank you. This one was at 5 yards and the spread was about 5 to 6 inches. For ranges far shorter than 50 yards, the shotgun is an ideal man stopper, an effective self defense tool. I have no experience with extended chokes or chokes with longer taper, but then I have not found the need yet. When I began deer hunting we ran deer with dogs and used only shot guns with buck shot. henro Registered Display as a link instead, Shot Size 00 Buck. The factory lists the velocity at 1,325 fps. A 20 gauge . mine will pattern 6" @ 30 yds, after that use a slug. But they did all require a finishing shot. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. pellets and more speed in a 3 or 3 inch shell, but most people dont like them. Hornady has an 8-pellet load that pops out at a smoking 1,600 fps, and groups nearly half that of other common lads. If your shots are mostly at 25 or 50 yards, you should consider either a modified choke or full choke tube with smaller shot sizes like #6 or #8 instead of buckshot. With fed. These smaller pellets won . It was necessary to determine the velocity of the buckshot spheres as they traveled downrange to know the maximum range at which the pellet would be able to meet the 12.0 minimum penetration depth in ballistic gelatin. CHRIS: It will if it hits you in the right place, Id say. I help equip people with knowledge and skills so they can be safe and effective with firearms. The pellets are clustered together more than conventional wad buckshot when they reach the choke, and they are compressed against each other leading to increased deformation. The most common, and arguably the best buckshot for deer is 12-gauge 00 buckshot in a 2 inch shell. The soft lead deforms, causing less uniformity and spacing out the shot in the pattern. Lets take each premise and take it to the extreme, just to see if the idea, in general, makes sense. just fewer pellets. Here are five of the craziest-looking "antlered does" we've seen in recent years. How did the Greeks work out the circumference of the earth? For the purposes of this report, the definition of buckshot is broken out into two categories: deformed and spherical. Am also testing my buckshot patterns. The rounds were shot from a Mossberg 500 12-gauge shotgun with a 20-inch barrel length and full choke. This test consists of firing a .177 caliber steel sphere (BB) into the gelatin block at 590 feet per second (fps) +/- 15 fps. Either one sounds like it would work well enough. My last deer was shot with 2w Winchester 00 buckshot. however, I do not recommend firing a load of buckshot at a deers head. Not many years ago, 50 yards was considered a long . Now add a little buffer, wad, or both to further protect the buckshot from deforming, and you're well on your way of having a legitimate 50+ yard, tight patterning buckshot load. We see a close correlation between the terminal performance of the single-launched buckshot and the factory shotshells. He has earned black belts in four martial arts and is a certified Krav Maga instructor. That is not hard to do since I have patterned my factory choke at 60 yards with 000b 3.5 with 75% in a 3ft circle. We have lots more on the site to show you. CHRIS: Right, and thats with your gun. I will take her target shooting, but I am curious if anyone can tell me what to expect. One time only I tried fifteen .310 roundballs in my Bess, and banged away at 50 yards. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=86292. It made a 33 inch pattern. My buddy runs a Benelli M4 with the MOD choke and gets consistent 7" patterns with it. All comments are held for moderation and will appear after approval. Your Modified choke will pattern larger . It is perfect for hunting birds and clay targets. The number of pellets in each shell will vary depending on the size of the shot and the length of the shell. If you have a personal-defense shotgun or one assigned to you, go out with the load you intend to carry and pattern the shotgun. If Federal made their heavier than lead Heavyweight pellets in buck sizes and loaded them with a Flitecontrol wad, who knows how far away you could shoot deer with them. Except at under 30 yards, it doesnt have the power to bust through the hide and penetrate both lungs. It was about 14-ish inches on the #1 and around 18 on the #00. Something no one has mentioned with multiple hits, there is a factor of squaring the damage per hit. Yes I have slugs readily available as well. Believe it or not, there is a fairly good way to measure the killing power of a bullet. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,600],'guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2','ezslot_9',112,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-leaderboard-2-0');The individual pellets of No.4 buckshot often dont go deep enough to reach anything good. But it's only 50 feet! Showing the difference in patterns between 00 and #4 shots at 45/ 50 yards. Though it has less constriction than modified choke it delivers 50 percent of the pellets in a 30 inch at 40 yards. JOHN: Right, so, if thats what youve got and you have something out there and its a contextually appropriate shot. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. Remington Ammunition Issues a 12-Gauge Premier AccuTip Ammo Recall, FIRST LOOK: Glock Just Very Quietly Unveiled the New Glock 47 Pistol, Police Sidearms: The Handguns of Americas 10 Largest Departments, FIRST LOOK: Rounds Downrange With the new Mossberg Patriot LR Tactical, 5 Common Myths on How to Survive a Gunfight, Understanding Stand Your Ground Laws and Castle Doctrine, Long-Distance Shooting: 5 Must-Know Tips For Spotters & Shooters, IMPACT Experience Events Redefine Your Long-Range Shooting Limits, Sniper Skills: Taking Your Shooting Precision to the Next Level, Self-Defense Myths that Could Get you Killed, 4 Home Defense Myths You Need to Stop Repeating. If you dont have a clear shot, dont take it. The full pattern guys like smaller buckshot so they have more pellets in the target. . NJgunner said: Ive never patterned my shotgun (SBII 24") but I did shoot a deer at 60-70 yards with a standard full crio choke and 3.5" federal vital shok 00 buck. Hornady has several 00 buckshot that uses their flitecontrol shot-cup wad. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. Last time I patterned a bunch of buckshot, an extended Modified choke worked best for me. Check out this post which is one of the most popular of all time. I noted exactly what you did. That, is some seriously good 40 yard patterning. This sphere must penetrate a minimum of 2.95 inches (75mm) but no more than 3.74 inches (95mm)". If all my shots were going to be in thick brush, I would be tempted to shoot 1 buck. Price: $8.49 per 5-rnd. And Benny should chime in on this but it has always been my impression that OO is going to pattern tighter than OOO. If I remember correctly. Phil Bourjaily Im glad that you all like the video. Perhapse I can improve. JOHN: So, still potentially lethal absolutely. JOHN: Yeah, and the whole point of what did we want to know was just, flat out, not is it appropriate to shoot this distance not anything other than what does it do?. I have found no load in my gun that can do this at greater than 50 yards, and I have done extensive patterning and use a wad wizard type choke. JOHN: Well, we were talking about it and what we wanted to know was, how far out can we take buckshot and still have it pass the FBI heavy clothing terminal ballistics standard? So, thats what we did. The information provided here does not represent the views of Cheaper Than Dirt! Dont do that its dangerous and unethical to shoot something you dont clearly see. What would best kill a deer, a one-ounce load of number 8 birdshot, or a one-ounce slug? 2-inch #00 buckshot comes with either 8 or 9 pellets. Shotshell Length: 2-3/4in. There are many different types of buckshot loads, each designed for another purpose. The #1 buckshot (plated, pattern-controlled) load had a higher hit probability than the unplated 00 buckshot (maintaining a hit probability of 50+% out to 57 yards) but the individual pellets lacked the mass and initial velocity to retain terminal effectiveness beyond 51 yards. One of the best features of the shotgun is its versatility. The #1 was starting to fail the FBI test it was starting to be underneath the 12-inch penetration. A 12 gauge shotgun shell holds 8-9 pellets of 00 shot, 8 pellets of 000 shot. Dave, where you live, shots can be long, and 50 yards is just a chip shot. Your discussions, feedback and comments are welcome here as long as they are relevant and insightful. And by best here, I am talking about 40 yard patterns for deer, not across-the-bedroom patterns for home defense. Thats how animals run off wounded, never to be found. Federal Premium LE132 00 low recoil buckshot, 9-pellet 3. The brain of a deer is about the size of one of those little half-sized oranges. Past 50 is where I go, hmmmm, I dont know about this.. I just found this; thank you! Many folks think its a toss-up. Premium, buffered loads of hard pellets are worth the price you pay for them for shooting at longer ranges (40 yards). Heres why. We reserve the right to edit as appropriate, delete profane, harassing, abusive and spam comments or posts, and block repeat offenders. We didnt test it because birdshot lacks sufficient energy to penetrate at distances beyond close range and is not carried in serious social shotguns. This is simply figuring for penetration. With my Rem 11/87 with a Hastings Turkey choke, I print 15" patterns . It doesnt have the energy or penetration to break the spine past that point either. You have more pellets, but less energy per pellet. -CB]. I actually killed all of my deer this way. This shotgun is a version of what the NYPD highway officers carry. Posted: 12/22/2018 6:14:17 PM EST [#1] The 15 yd is smaller than 10 yds , thats pretty impressive ! Jordan has taught marksmanship, woodsmanship, and self-defense classes. That the 1 inch of spread for every yard rule has pretty much been busted. Technically, if you combined the penetration of all the pellets in a load of No.4 buckshot and compared it to the combined penetration of 00 buckshot, the No.4 buckshot wins hands down. No one in their right mind should use a long barrel shotgun for in home security/protection, unless that is all they have. Distances between muzzle and target for the #4 buckshot and unplated #1 buckshot correspond to the maximum distance at which a single shot pellet is expected to be traveling fast enough to score an incapacitating hit. As tested, pattern-controlled #1 buckshot presents an interesting alternative to the more traditional 00 buckshot (also pattern-controlled) in that the maximum effective range is the same but the felt recoil is reduced by 23% over the 00 buckshot load. Using harder lead, or even nickel or copper-plated buckshot, reduces deformation, keeping the buckshot more true in flight. Buckshot loads are shotgun shells filled with pellets instead of a single projectile. The Shooter's Log, is to provide informationnot opinionsto our customers and the shooting community. Of course, all of that is moot if one is using a rifled slug or even the venerable pumpkin ball. All between 35 and 60 yards. What buckshot does at 50 yards or choke of the barrel, is really not relevant (other than over penetration) inside ones home or apartment. Even at 30 feet, the maximum spread with this load was 2.5 inches. . Join F&S+ to read exclusive stories by your favorite writers. You cannot take a shot that isnt clear. No, shotguns arent alley-sweepers or trench brooms. Inside 25 yards, you can put accurate fire on a suspect with an average spread of about 10 inches. At 50 yards you need slugs, or better yet a rifle. Enter to WIN the Smith & Wesson and Black Hills package. But, I have always been intrigued by buck shot and have a shot a bunch at paper to see how it acts. At about 20 yards it will put them all in about 6", at 25 yards, 6-10", and past that the Remington 000 outperforms it. Rios Game Load C20 (20 ga 2 3/4 00 Buck) has rather optimistic ballistics. Ergo why smaller shot needs to be harder to perform equally to larger shot. Recoil can also be increase with velocity. Is total devastation out to 80 yards. The patterns at 20 yards. The measurements were taken using the two widest pellets of the 00 buckshot load. If you are shooting No.3 or No.4 buckshot, you should keep it under 30 yards. but you may find then woefully lacking further . Then we took it out to 25 [yards], and then 50, and then 100 yards. You really need to hit the spine. I would also suggest full length barrels, to increase accuracy, velocity, and tightness of the groups. 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