My question, please forive if its too absurd, is" Why weren't the Riff Contract pistols ordered from the Simson Co.?" Most of these went to the German Police. Also, recently in Strafrecht (Criminal Law) z. L. significant upheavals took place. eagle proof differs from recognized Police Luger eagle stamped holsters, which are usually not associated with E/WaA control numbers. similar restriction. Item Information. Luger Identification Guide - Rework and non-DWM Lugers (1915-1945) This is one of a series of identification guides for small arms. A complete discussion of 11-17-2022 12:57 PM by Pistol. 19-130 text caption picturing a cut-back LP.08 holster: that the converted LP.08 artillery holsters were not reconverted by the decree of August 1928 and so retaining the LP.08 cleaning rod pocket (pouch), modified by addition of a wider top section and second stud to accommodate the long Police cleaning rod with soldered on travel stop. included provisions for two spare magazines, cleaning rod, box of period ammunition and a loading tool. violations of the Treaty of Versailles by the German police. Many combinations of eagles and numbers are noted. Im Strasrecht haben ebensalls injngster Zeit z. L. erhebliche Umwlzungen stattgesunden. Pictured is a variation 1, spring loaded muzzle protector, which is the only one of two known examples of a muzzle protector used by the Wehrmacht or German army as indicated by the droop-wing eagle over WaA107 army inspection stamp located on the right side flat. History Writ in Steel 2009 by L. Donald Maus in Chapter 9, on page 139 the author states: The markings from the Hannover district are some of the most confusing Ive seen. ad[0]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/germanmilitaria.jpg'; Receiver proof, some 1920 Military and Police Lugers. Note the non-standard vertical location of added metal belt buckle and strap/keeper cover flap holster, the subject cut-back artillery LP.08 holster to P.08 holster police marked, the bottom edge of the holster body inner liner, Pictured is a WW1 P08 army holster modified to a Police holster in the 1920s, whereas other identified, non-holster Hannover markings, such as Police P08s. Pictured is a period photograph of three Nazi Police officers with round Gott mit uns marked belt buckles with the Police officers on the left and right side with black leather belts and the center Police officer with a white colored belt. Captain Ernst Roehm, future head of the SA [Sturmabteilung, a.k.a. The chamber marking represent the military contract year of production and this example is a 1918 dated Luger. Pictured is one such example with pattern likely dating from the Weimar period, identified as a German fire defense police belt buckle with a beautiful design emblem with the following inscription of: God to Honor ~ Neighbor to Defend. Thanks. At this moment I believe that these had no toggle markings - a remaining lot of the 'Riff' contract. or Leder Zuweisungs Amt (Leather Allocation Office) over a Prussian Eagle over J. Berlin. Additionally, based on But you must recognize that; being a researcher yourself! The base forms of the unit marks for this police force are contained in The holster was obtained with a cleaning rod, marked on a milled flat section of the shaft Sunburst S (1932-36), specifically made to be used with police Lugers. Mike, i don't think Joop is doing that? Additionally, by restricting the insertion of the cleaning rod end, with affixed Reinigungsgdocht[6] or cleaning wick flush to the chamber face, prevents it from becoming detached, which could happen with a longer cleaning rod extending beyond the barrel/receiver chamber face. Featured is a WW2 police style holster marked WaAJL16 on the rear between the bell loops along with a 4-digit 1108 believed to be a Police P.08 serial number. The lower of the two (brass) studs is not an original German stud. information presented here, but they indicate which unit(s) the materiel though provides no picture. Waffenfabrik Bern - Bern, Switzerland&break;7. The lower attachment of the left belt loop has been crudely reinforced with wire, probably while in service. A remaining question: who changed the 7.65mm barrels into 9mm barrels? Brown would be rural. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 9 ----------------------------------------------------------. regulations issued in 1922, and are shown in the following table. (Schutzpolizei Berlin) 12022 Xd. 3 Arming Weimar Germany, including Weimar Police Lugers, the Sear Safety, the Magazine Safety, profiles of Weimar Police Lugers, Police holsters, Police Magazines and Police tools & miscellaneous. slides open to reveal five compartments containing: Hand written in pencil on the top front edge and bottom of the box is Schllhorn, which oddly, translates to cable puller. Collectors state the following regarding the WwMg/41 marking: Opinion on these stamps has differed over the years, but current thought is that the marks may be attributed to the waffenwerk depot at Magdeburg. In the manual is pictured the P.08 Luger on pages 17 and 26. The two-piece assembly can also be These markings were not used by the Nazis, thus we will see many Bayonets that are mismatched - which is not the case with the subject bayonet with original Weimar era matching accountability numbers S.B. circumference edge, circular collar past the sight block/blade, by Poot 06 May 2016, 07:54, Post Get Guns.com offers and news!! Allenstein district. 4 days Left WW2 ERA GERMAN POLICE LUGER HOLSTER RIG $150 . Chapter 4, p. 64 & Chapter 7, pp. Additionally perplexing and unclear is the reason or purpose for a stand-alone E/Mg10 Nazi Swastika stamping on a 1933 dated Robert Larsen Weimar era Police holster. out and what appears to be a Nazi issue number 522 added to the scabbard metal throat and bayonet handle cross-bar. This is an apolitical forum for discussions on the Axis nations and related topics hosted by the Axis History Factbook in cooperation with Christian Ankerstjernes Panzerworld and Christoph Awender's WW2 day by day. Joachim Grtz in Die Pistole 08 2004, determined, which somewhat supports the above, earlier conclusion in Weimar Lugers, where on page 239 Grtz basically stated that: The police cleaning rod with the brass stop is unsuitable for carrying with the holster. Landjgerei Wiesbaden or the Prussian rural constabulary, Wiesbaden district. The last numbers on the line indicate the item number of the item that was On later production guns, matching numbered magazines enhance value. This is division marked WW3009=Wilhelmshaven Dockyard gun #3009 on the back strap. Ulle diese Reuregelungen sind bei der Bearbeitung der zweiten Uuslage berudschtigt worden und haben in einigen Ubschnitten umsangreiche Uenderungen notwendig gemacht. Faded roman numeral ink stampings on the inside cover flap indicate Imperial army, possibly depot origins. Pictured is a brown leather 1937 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with an eagle over circled B Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1 and view 2. collar assembly to be aligned with forward main If you're looking for a high-value low-power variable optic that just plain performs, SIG Sauer has a great option at an affordable price with its Tango MSR LPVO scope. empire and the Prussian constitution have already seen some important additions: further laws are expected in the near future. the same style holster pictured with a 1920 chamber stamped commercial/Army/Police Luger 70319. Mfg Part Number. Gr soll seine Umtspslichten gewissenhaft erfullen, foll fachlich in seinen Masnahmen, hslich im Bertehr mit dem Publitum sein, aber auch streng gegen offensichtliche Berstsse einschreiten, andererseits alle Unlasse oder gar Uebergriffe vermeiden, durch welche die Stimmung eines erheblichen Teiles der Bevlterung noch mehr gegen die Polizei beeinslusst wird, als es leider schon der Fall ift. These HZA markings, excluding the WaAJL16 stampings which, as Costanzo states was specifically used by police forces guarding warehouses operated by the Heerszeugment. Brass stud added to the (cover) flap, additional brass stud added to the cleaning rod pouch. Police arms had a This interference issue varies from barrel to barrel, curiously, to both police and non-police P.08 9mm Lugers, depending on the width of the sight blade sliding base. Police unit marked on the back is S.B.13.435 (Municipal Police, Berlin unit 13) as described by the seller. NowThis holster displays three distinct branches of service either real or fake. Pictured is an (officers) Upper Silesian "Landespolizei" buckle. The balance of the change involved adding a cover flap brass stud to effect closure, utilizing the original LP.08 holster body up-strap and it is certain in this first conversion that the holster rear leather shoulder strap stock block was retained. Stay in the know. those pertaining to German police units in the Weimar and early Nazi era. by von thoma 07 May 2016, 02:26, Post 351 pages. The following tables list the base forms for police unit marks found in German Small Arms Markings From Authentic Sources by J. Goertz and D. Bryans, Walsworth Publishing Co., Marceline MO, USA, 1997. These figure on the Mauser inventory listings of 09/30/1930 and 09/30/1930. 1/11/23 - This is an original WW2 era production Luger magazine. The original brown leather holster was probably dyed/swabbed black, at this time, to conform to regulations. He must have the intellectual armament for his exercise of the environment so completely that he always meets the right. A first glance through the new evidence that became available to me does not change my opinion as stated above. For more detailed information on the 1946 Dresden Police manual. The first stamp of WwMg/41 may signify Waffenwerk Magdeburg. Pictured is a WW1 P08 army holster modified to a Police holster in the 1920s or possibly early 1930s by removing the angled buckle and strap closure, converting to the police type closure by adding a pull-up strap to the holster body and adding a steel stud[4] and leather keeper strip to the cover flap. S.Al.II 1. The Ingolstadt HZa was the only one to have a production code, I believe it was "jlj." 355. Regimental Marking [Revised Edition] by Jeff Noll, P.O. A rank of 1,000,000 means the last copy sold approximately a month ago. a 1920s chamber stamped commercial P.08 Luger, The third is a late 1920s sear bar and magazine safety, German acceptance stamped E/WaA66 Police Luger s/n 4559t. Still, page 174 Figure 28b describes and pictures a P.08 barrel installed ERMA muzzle protector in the text caption that states: This device fits over the muzzle of a Luger and reportedly protects the barrel rifling at the muzzle from the cleaning rod shaft. This book contains English translations of the actual regulations issued For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Buy Very Rare 1941 BYF41 Luger Army- Police P08 Mauser German Pistol 9mm P38: GunBroker is the largest seller of Curios & Relics Collectible Firearms All: 966966512 Opening the loading tool cover flap reveals the original brown leather. The subject Police holster E/Mg10 stamping is recognized by collectors as authentic, based on three examples seen on WwMg/41 dated WW2 military issued P08 holsters. Pictured is a black dyed 1933 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era (1929-36) Sunburst police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number S.E.I. S&W Walther PPK/s Review: Obsolete or Concealed Carry Gem? There are many possible combinations of German manufactured commercial holster, original pistol model unknown, as identified by ink stampings located on the inside cover flap, WALTHER POLIZEI-PISTOLEN PP / PPK und ihre Handhabung, an equally rare 1936 Walther PP/PPK 50 year commemorative flyer. It has a 100mm (4") barrel, is modified as a police issue with a sear and magazine safety, plus it has a police unit identification markings. If the blank toggles are related to the Riff contract, they would have been manufactured in or before 1926. 31. Post WW2 police manual, dated 1946, is titled The Police Pistols, Dresden, part of the Soviet Occupation Zone, identified of the cover as part of the State of Saxony. Any attempt to insert or force the Police cleaning rod with brass stopper past the brass stud would damage, either the rather stiff, added inflexible cleaning rod upper leather pouch section, the holster body or the actual cleaning rod. Borge Villy Redsted Pertersen, alias 'Lieutenant Larsen' and other cover names, was among those who overcame. The fourth is a very early 3-digit, circa 1930 production DWM/Mauser commercial/Police Luger serial number 873V. RIA has no less than 19 rare Krieghoff Lugers including commercial and Luftwaffe military contract guns. There is one other cut-back artillery LP.08 holster converted to a P.08 similar style holster, except that it is unmarked and, as such, cannot be associated with police use. 2 Policing Germany, including Police Unit Marks Chapt. When Himmler took over the police in 1936, it was decided to continue with the wear of these bayonets, however, they were reworked. When reworking the chap. A rare DWM Model 1900 U.S. Army Test Eagle Luger in 7.65mm is up for grabs as well. luger1. In a typical attempt to demonstrate its political autonomy, the federal WaA-Army, Luftwaffe Eagle 2-Air Force. The tube is in excellent condition with most . $500. It is not very important if the delivery of these pistols took place just before the 1st of January 1930, or just after (invoiced by Mauser).". Has been dyed black long ago. LUGER POLICE P-08 MAGAZINE. They appear to fall into two categories: P08s that always were P08s and P08s that were formerly unmarked Landjgerei LP08s (many 1918 DWM LP08s) that were reworked by the PTV in 1929-30 and reissued as P08s to the Landjgerei and other police. The holster front is stamped L.Z.A. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 3 ----------------------------------------------------------. German military and police units, one can sometimes derive some No examples noted. All of this happened between 1912 and 1926. var links=new Array() The author, using the word reportedly, twice in the caption, suggests or implies that he is skeptical or not convinced that the ERMA pictured muzzle protector was used as described. 46 of these got executed in the years 1946-50 by firing squadrons of the Danish police. SIG Sauer MCX Review: Next-Gen Modern Sporting Rifle? This assumes that the cut-back Artillery to Police holster and the modification of the cleaning rod/pouch/sleeve and cover flap were contemporaneous operations. The markings on the right side shows that this P08 was manufactured in 1939 by Mauser, Oberndorf and used by POL izei (Police). (May indicate manufacture or rework.) The is a 9mm, all matching police luger. Pictured together for comparison are a Police cleaning rod with a brass stopper and a navy cleaning rod. Each state (Pomerania, Prussia, Silesia, etc.) Die moisten sind veraltet: andererseits sind in neuerer Zeit so viele Vorschriften hinzugetommem, gass es fr den Unfnger schwer ift, das Richtige herauszufinden. state of Bavaria had the small arms issued to its members of the Das geistige Rstzeug fr seine Umtsausbung muss er so vllig besitzen, das ser jederzeit das Rechte trifft. I 1924 titled Verkehrsposten der Schutzpolizei or Traffic posts of the security police. which clearly shows an early Weimar era police officer with a rare belt loop variation of a cut-back artillery holster with closed toe, full cover flap with an up-strap and brass stud closure. Pictured is a brown leather example with regulation holster body attached holster body spare magazine pouch with up-strap and cover flap keeper slit and steel stud closure. The missing upper left corner of the left grip is part of the mag safety modification. 5.6 (Cleaning Kit 34) pictured (Fig. The frame tells us that it was an artillery (200mm barrel) and has had the barrel replaced by Simson & Co., the only one authorized to build Lugers after the great war by the treaty of Versailles. links[0]='http://www.GermanMilitaria.com'; Compare the above to this World War I 1917-dated DWM Artillery Luger with the more appropriate German markings.. Additionally, since the subject holster body attached cleaning rod, cut-back from the original, approximately 230 m/m length to 180 m/m length (or 210 m/m total with the added 30 m/m section) leather pouch/sleeve is original to the holster body, as attested by the original stitching. TBLAP by Grtz/Sturgess, 2011 & 2012, VIII, on pages 1262-1264 and pictured on page 1262, Fig. ad[1]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Cash1.jpg'; In the organization of the police, disorder is of decisive importance for the regulation of the individual types of police, without which the reconstruction of this direction, which is so important for the state life, would have been a problem. Take care and thanks for the quick response. a 4-digit 1108 believed to be a Police P.08 serial number. The first set of letters on the line indicate the military or police unit If one were to attempt to take a WW1 holster & bubba it up for profit. Interestingly, this example used the expected regulation police holster up-strap and stud closure. We got our hands on one of the original MCXs for some testing. Additionally, this holster was used extensively as evidenced by its less than pristine condition, possibly being carried in the late days of the war in the defense of Berlin. The right to believe is the right of those who don't know ". $1,000. Muenchen (Munich procurement office), Wirtschaftsamt this is somewhat supported as many pictures exist of Weimar Police with ordinary belt buckles. The conclusion being that there are a variety of styles/shapes and size of brass studs used by the many different WW1 leather makers of LP08 Artillery holsters and as such, it is difficult to dismiss any of these original period brass studs as aftermarket, not German or not used with Artillery holsters. The is a 9mm, all matching police luger. JavaScript is disabled. Mauser - Oberndorf, Germany&break;5. Barrel proof, some 1920 Police and Double Dated Lugers. Was it a difference in caliber or what is obvious that I am missing. Sturgess in TBLAP also states that the new police cleaning rods were issued to each police pistol, further stating in the Fig. Pictured is one such unique example. This is a 9mm Luger manufactured by DWM for the Riff Tribe in Morocco. Per C. Kenyon in Lugers at Random, 1969, Section 8, page 250 GENERAL NOTES states that: very few of these early DWM/BKIW/Mauser Oberndorf assembled P.08s were made and very few of this variation are found with a Sear safety. The lack of relevant textbooks has often been put to the test. links[7]='https://www.marnamilitaria.com'; Per Weimar Lugers by J. German: Foreign Mfg. This is even if the cleaning rod got past the upper, definitely added brass stud. Zone vs. the WW2 Bahnschutz (Railway Protection). N.b.5. 1014 stamped on the back side along with an Eagle/Mg10 stamping, considered by Luger collectors to be rare on holsters, particularly on Police Luger holsters. Without delay, lets get into the coolest of the bunch: DWM Model 1900 7.65mm Ejercito Mexicano marked commercial pistol made in hopes of gaining contracts with the Mexican military. Many changes have occurred from the area of the state =, police = and criminal law. letters and numbers, and the information presented here addresses just Caliber 7.62mm - 6.5" barrel. Das gibt ihm den inneren halt, das ruhige Uustreten in der Dessentlichteit, den sicheren Erfolg und damit eine gesteigerte Dienstfreudigteit und Liebe zum Berufe. jeb111. 3 5 in Book II, Police Chief Baetsch, Ministry of the Interior, kindly supported me, for which I would like to express my warmest thanks to him. This was naturally discontinued with the dissolution of the The police officer is therefore faced with the varied expenses. ad[5]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/wittmann.jpg'; 1930s and beyond with a Weimar era made, seven ring wooden barrel handle cleaning rod, as mentioned, specifically made for use with police Lugers, On the rear cover the books contents are further described as: Der amtliche Leitfaden fr preuische Polizeibeamte or The official guide for Prussian police officers. What am I missing here? Pictured is an (officers) Upper Silesian "Landespolizei" buckle. View 1 and view 2. Faint, illegible makers markings are stamped inside the cover flap. The left side of the slide has a Crown/N insp proof. Most observed are reworks with double date or blank chambers of DWM and ERFURT.(shown below) The eagle proof differs from recognized Police Luger eagle stamped holsters, which are usually not associated with E/WaA control numbers. FN Browning M1922 7.65 mm pistol, stamped, interestingly. Edward Tinker. HIPO as well as Gestapo had their informers. 1935 and 1936 are the only known manufacturing dates for the TP or Technische Polizeischule property marked holsters. stamping, there is enough room to the left of the defined and enhanced rectangular cartouche type enclosed S. H.133. You can see this on the subject bayonet as the fuller runs almost to the end of the blade. Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy. This rare M1908 Commercial Army P.08 variation is described in great detail on page 25, Figure 18 of Imperial Lugers 1991 by J. Police Luger ? View First Unread . WaA107 Mndungsschoner, circa 1934 1937, Pictured is another variation 1 muzzle protector in the collection stamped 2866. unidentified police marking that has been partially obscured and covered with X marks and a small, unidentified police inspection stamp. document.write(''). new style of police holster was introduced without a holster spine attached cleaning rod sleeve, replacing it with a spare magazine pouch. regulations issued in 1932, and are shown in the following table. Hesse, Saxony, and others. It is a numbers matching pistol. The bases for these identifications are as follows: a. had 96 or 98 mm long barrels, and also only the 7.65 mm caliber. It is speculated that the shift was also motivated by the need to communicate with occupied territories during WW2 and the use of Fraktur would inhibit that communication. The cut-back, first conversion feature of the subject police holster involved forming a regular curved, P.08 holster style, closed, stitched toe. In fact, the majority of the pistols having a SN between 1v and 524v were produced and proofed in Berlin. Genuine German Luger - Largest Variety of Lugers Offered. The seller states that: It is said this marking was used to indicate issue to security guards at military installations. License and control of businesses; street lighting; control and upkeep of road surfaces; night watchmen; wells & water conduits; fire fighting; street begging; public health; passport, registration, and aliens' affairs; the Theater Police; the Market Police; servants office; embezzlement; control of gambling; the Morals Police; trade affairs; issue of hunting licenses; control of mentally ill and insane, and facilities for them; supervision of trucking matters; construction matters; and . section slot then, 2) inserting 4. He who lives by the sword, should train with it frequently. 1918 Dingeldey & Werres-Berlin cut-back artillery to police holster, Luger holstered s/n 5008. which Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei) by directive 5 April 1922. All P-08 Military Lugers. presidents were stamped like the police schools, but with an "L" instead Command of maintenance/supply section, Wirtschaftsamt Discussions on the small arms used by the Axis forces. Pictured for comparison are examples 1 and 2. As always, I'm not responsible for any inaccuracies in the data, just for the center Police officer with a white colored belt. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 10 ----------------------------------------------------------. var ad=new Array() Over all good condition. The device was manufactured by ERMA and is police E/B marked. that the German police exceeded the limit of 150,000 by 30,000 men and Luger Holsters & Their Accs., P137 Bahnschutz holster, M. Morris. It didn't really have to exactly comply or match others issued to a military unit preparing for battle. Receiver proof, some post war reworked Lugers. But when Nazi party came to power, and started preparation. 19-130. Box 7184, WWI History after Treaty of Versailles: German production of 9mm pistols was prohibited. Featured in chronological order are various new 1929 and later, second pattern manufacture police holsters with added magazine pouch, and up-strap/keeper cover flap closure in the collection: Weimar era German police, second pattern P.08 Luger holster that is maker marked Paul Gldner Halle a.S. or Halle an der Saale (Halle on the Saale River) on the back and dated 1933. Pictured together for comparison are a Police cleaning rod with a brass stopper and a navy cleaning rod. In regard to Police manuals, this language change is first noted in a 1941 Police manual versus the apparent last use of the Fraktur font in a 1940 police manual. The other marking is an inspection stamp, consisting of a crown over a 'fraktur,' or letter. 1908/13 five-digit s/n commercial-military-police Luger. As a result, the young police officers are faced with new tasks, which prove to be all the more difficult since the new police not only ward off the risks of political and economic struggles, but above all are supposed to be brought back to their actual previous activities. 9mm Luger Caliber. Thanks for the additional information. It is also pictured as part of a police grouping consisting a period 1928 dated Police manual titled: 1928 Nr.7,1 Vorschrift fr die Waffenausbildung der Shutzpolizei or 1928 Nr.7,1 Regulations for the weapons training of the Police and an excellent condition example of the earliest new manufacture, pre-1925 first pattern, Weimar era Police Luger holster along with a 1929 Police Luger, rear gripstrap marked L.W.58 (Landjgerei Wiesbaden, weapon number 58) with original, unmodified magazine . Apparently, there are other, period German Police Luger wooden box cleaning kits, another example being REINIGUNGSGERTFR PISTOLE = POLIZEI BADEN = although it is not clear as to the date of manufacture is pre or post 1945 as the state of Baden existed prior to 1945 and it wasnt until 1946 that the state of Wurternberg-Baden was formed. GERMAN POLICE LUGER P08 MAGAZINE DOVE MARKINGS. although some examples have been modified to a single loop belt carry by rotating the HIPO was organized under - and quite similar to -the Gestapo: Some uniformed to be visible, some civil dressed working in secrecy. PREUEN marked eagle, round belt buckle, gold or silver, has been identified. The Police holster rear is stamped with the P.08 pistol issue number or serial number 1021. Come join the discussion about the history, technology and extraordinary background associated with these design masterpieces. Vickers Ltd. - England&break;6. ad[3]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Marna.jpg'; Interestingly, the cut-back artillery to purportedly, police conversions with toe plugs rarely have added twin belt loops. All Rights Reserved, Lugers! Regimental markings on a 1916 P08 Luger - Arms and other weapons - The Great War (1914-1918) Forum. Since these cut back LP08 holsters, at least in the Weimar era, had no provision for a spare magazine, the police officer carries a twin magazine pouch on his belt. droop-wing eagle over WaA107 army inspection stamp located on the right side flat. Heinrich Krieghoff - Suhl, Germany At least six pre-production Lugers are known to exist. A researcher yourself stamped commercial/Army/Police Luger 70319 who changed the 7.65mm barrels into 9mm barrels sold approximately month. Ingolstadt HZa was the only known manufacturing dates for the police luger markings contract, they would been... 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