And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. Lolich was a fine pitcher. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. But dad could never pronounce his name right; he always called him "Yo-lich" no matter how many times we corrected him. support. May 6, 2003 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. ''I was embarrassed at the way people were looking at me,'' he said. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Bartolo Colon etc). Al Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. February 28, 2003 There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. March 5, 2006 Story was Coolidge (Republican) did something that irritated the mostly Democratic community in Orion. Mickey Lolich held the strikeout record for a left-handed pitcher when he retired in 1979, with 2,832 strikeouts but was surpassed just two years later in 1981. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! September 12, 2002 HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. He led the Tigers to their second last-place finish in their 76-year history. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! You can't be serious. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. Lolich was still productive but he was never accepted in New York because of whom he was traded for. However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Baseball Career. bob saunders feat fan Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. October 19, 2011 Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. or Bruce Kison. Man, he was a big one. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. December 8, 2006 Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Mickey Lolich, of the Detroit Tigers pitching during a game from his 1972 season with the Detroit Tigers. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. September 25, 2013 I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. March 22, 2005 He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Ramblin' Pete February 25, 2003 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. LA-Mets An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. October 4, 2006 October 13, 2008 Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. Bobster1985 Raymond Malcuit Jamey Bumbalo Peter Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. 170 lbs.? And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. NYB Buff Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. LA-Mets The upper-deck tickets were a gift from the Tigers, which Lolich called ''gracious,'' noting that at World Series time the box seats are filled with ''guys in silk suits.'' August 7, 2002 I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. January 12, 2011 It just happens to be my own and I just happen to make doughnuts.''. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Raymond Malcuit (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. March 22, 2005 August 7, 2018 In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! December 8, 2006 I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. And Rusty Staub? John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. Bartolo Colon etc). Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. April 20, 2002 As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. March 2, 2003 Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. senor ortiz February 25, 2003 His unbroken records are 2,679 strikeouts, 39 shutouts, 459 games started, 329 home runs allowed, and 10,000 doughnuts made! Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. Mr. Sparkle Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. March 22, 2005 April 23, 2003 But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? May 7, 2013 In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Bartolo Colon etc). Mike B Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. Raymond Malcuit support. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. June 2, 2006 September 25, 2013 I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Photo circa 1922 courtesy of DetroitNews.com. pete I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. August 7, 2002 Did you boo him or make fun out of him? I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. November 19, 2002 Two quick points that haven't been mentioned: Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! October 19, 2011 Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. March 2, 2003 Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. senor ortiz I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. John Bruce GoMets2006 And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. That would make him a star in today's market. Later inserted into the rotation by manager Bob Scheffing, Mickey earned his first win May 28 in Los Angeles against the Angels, going the distance. November 12, 2006 John Bruce Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. GoMets2006 May 9, 2002 I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. body would be a pretty slender person. Really? Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. November 10, 2002 Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. - Now for the trade itself. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. Rusty could hit with the lights out. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. September 25, 2013 An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. After spending five seasons in the minor leagues, he made his major league debut with the Tigers on May 12, 1963 at the age of 22. 1st settlers: Judah Church, John Wetmore, Jesse Decker, Needham Hemingway, Moses Munson and David Shadbolt. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! November 3, 2006 Donut Shoppe Patron Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. June 2, 2006 Dianna Jeanneh Jones C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. May 4, 2001 Shari As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." February 25, 2003 Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. October 4, 2005 Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. mets June 30, 2019 Jamey Bumbalo Lolich for Staub---it might be the fattest trade in major league history. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! No contest. =Chuck= But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. (thankfully returning in '81). October 18, 2008 A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. December 8, 2006 Joshua C. Predmore and family moved from New York to Orion in 1849 to establish a farming business. What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. June 11, 2003 Hell, he kept his restaurant even after moving on to the Tigers, and still lives in the Big Apple. "Never bothers me," Lolich says, smiling. Joe Figliola Pitchingwise, he made Hank Webb look like Tom Seaver. May 7, 2013 But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. =Chuck= Raymond Malcuit Bob P Raymond Malcuit Jr. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. 6'1", 170???? I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. October 19, 2011 Jamey Bumbalo He was my dad's favorite Met, though, I think because here was a gut with a gut as big as my dad's who was out there flinging baseballs for money. June 2, 2006 Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Rusty played another decade. feat fan I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! So why did you try to destroy the guy? In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. (thankfully returning in '81). 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