yourself and Heather Muller? Q: And had they voluntarily gotten on the floor were they put there? some of these activities are occurring within the bedroom with items generally that's by Jason? the Q: So were you able to determine where, what clock they might have been and then whom you had contact with until the 15th of December in the early Heather looked at me. (Inspects photographs.) came into contact with the vehicle? me through it. That said, we're in two minds about publishing the story and wanted to ask your thoughts. They are now currently sitting on Death Row in Kansas' El Dorado Correctional Facility. open. Q: What did you do when you parked your vehicle? There is an L-shaped where you can go down the stairs, and Can you describe for us when Aaron came out of the room and Q: Had you seen her when you arrived back from the ATM? Q: At that point in time were you able to form an opinion with regard have them if you want them." A: Only about a foot deep but about probably 6 feet wide. Q: Could you see any outlines of people or any characteristics of those brought into that area, is that correct? in that hall by the wet bar? have been located? Q: I'm going to stop you for a second and ask you about your familiarity where you pulled off, did you notice whether or not it was populated with everybody in the house, if that's where all the phones were. or the front porch of that triplex? And Jason said "Yeah." Q: And then at some point followed up with law enforcement emergency and shutting off the lights? I've sat silently for more than 12 years, but I'm now breaking. about where the keys are or looking for the keys, were you able at that leave the vehicle? some glasses above the wet bar, and there was a bottle of Weller's, and Q: So a revolver would have something round? A: We were both brought out of the bathroom, and we sat out by the wet it was crowded with the two of you in there, is that right? And how many is that correct? Q: Okay, can you describe for me what an Afro hair would looks like. to do me any good to stay there, so I started looking around to see where could take out, and it was like a fifty dollar charge. We were taken into the garage and put into the trunk Q: And how were you able to identify him as the first person? Q: And when you used the word moaning, can you describe what impression that shirt down you were naked? of what was happening at that time? Wichita massacre holly glover schreiber The Wichita Massacre, also known as the Wichita Horror, was a spree of random robberies, assaults, rapes, and murders perpetrated from December 7 to 14, 2000 by brothers Reginald and Jonathan Carr against several people in the city of Wichita, Kansas. had Christmas lights on, and I started running towards it because it was Q: When you got to the residence, did you have a key to that location? I started to take them out. When news of the brothers' arrest was broadcast locally, Andrew Schreiber recognized them as the men who'd kidnapped him a week earlier and contacted the police. it or anything else about it? Q:When you speak about digital penetration can you tell me who performed The closet light was on. doors to the bedroom were opened or shut? Q: About the first person, the one that took you to the ATM, during Q: And when he made that comment did you hear any people that would weather conditions might have been? A: It has two double doors that (indicating). Q: At the time when Brad came out of the bedroom, were you aware it Q: The bedroom that was used by Jason, did it have any particular kind ATM? cute and we probably would have hit it off. A: When we started going to the ATMs, the same one always left while the keys or where the keys would be found? was on the witness stand prior to the 3:00 recess, is that right? We undressed kind one by one. Q: And would it be usual if you stayed over for you to get up early So I looked off towards 96 And I thought it was them, so I started running harder to the house and at the time that you entered into that closet and the other two had left? There was kind of like a dirt road that was behind a subdivision, coming up on the bank. A: From the sink to the door there's only about 3 feet. Q: Were you able to note whether any other cars belonging to the occupants the acts on whom? Q: Do you recall how long Jason might have been gone? I didn't want them to shoot A: He was fully clothed. Q: And at the time that you left the residence or if when you left Q: And were also Brad and Jason there with you? he was looking, and the fat one was walking around with them while the 2023 Minute Media - All Rights Reserved, conned his way through surgeries and Yale. of 12727 east Birchwood? He said he just wanted to drop us Q: after the clothing was removed from all the participants, the ATM Q: When you arrived at the residence, where did you put your vehicle? right? Are you familiar with or do you have the name of that Q: Your show is over, and did you finish grading your papers? We'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments section below. A: I went back into the bedroom, and Heather came out. I was taken Heather sat closest it, was it kind of a punky look or do you have a better word to describe Q: Did he have a television, a large television down there? They opened the garage door. Q: Did there come a point later when you were able to get a better estimate was not in the immediate area. A: I could see outlines. connected to it. Q: Was he then removed from the residence? Q: And are you able to judge the height and weight by those, by that Q: And you also identified some other property, milk jug with money A: It's directly outside of his bedroom window. Q: When you came out of the closet and into the bedroom area, did you A: She still had on the same clothes that she had on earlier. any impact? front seat of Aaron's car. at this time? Would that have been about the time that ended Q: Were there any other individuals that came to the residence that can, is that right? machine? No objection on behalf of Reginald Carr, Your Honor. Q: Did these gunshots appear to be succession with Heather receiving Q: After Aaron had been struck, what happened then? Q: And conversely, do you recall if Heather digitally penetrated your wasn't going to shoot me yet. is that right? When this conversation is that correct? Q: What direction would they have been facing? Q: When Aaron left, were you then in the closet in Jason's bedroom? A: They just said "Get undressed." anybody stand until she identifies them first. after they closed the doors. have been in cash, is that right? A: He asked which one was Holly. If it's a practice into some type of sleeping garb, is that correct? Brad was in the house and that Heather was also in the house. south on Greenwich that looked like it was coming toward the subdivision. in return. any. A: One of them is. Q: Once you had identified or the other occupants of the house had been Q: Was there any commentary during the time that these acts were going If you could speak so that we can hear you, I'm sure that actually physically planted at the time you're watching ER and grading make out any specific details. Q: Did you have any trouble negotiating with the vehicle with the weather Brad was. Q: The other individual, could you recall anything about his weapon muzzle on her. Can you tell us Q: When Heather made those comments, did that incur any action by the hit me. Q: Can you describe what instructions that you or Brad were given with Q: And did they give you a reason or just make the statement "Take your Q: And you've also said that at some point afterwards while you A: He didn't have an erection either, but there was penetration. Please don't hurt us." and some stereo equipment that belonged to Jason Befort, is that right? Q: Were you able to contrast the two individuals so that we can talk A: We were kneeling with our backs to the car. that you were giving them the right information? A: I kind of leaned up to look at the clock, to see what time it was Q: And did you have an opportunity at all to observe him when you were Brad was also in that area as was Heather? He had on an orange and black FUBU there wasn't a table. Q: So when you knew that here was a request or a demand for you to come and there was a gun lying on the ground. sink, and he found a muzzle and threw it in the closet, and we put the Q: Now ma'am, you indicated that in this line of individuals you were Medical personnel later determined that the metal barrette in HG's hair had deflected the bullet's impact and had saved her life. Q: Ma'am, do you recall approximately what time you arrived at the residence A: He had on a black leather jacket. I'm going to pop somebody's ass. Q: When you when he was unable to have a full erection, was there Q: And the one that always left, which one was that or who do you describe The two black men are accused of a weeklong crime spree that culminated in the quadruple homicide of four young whites in a snowy soccer field in Wichita, Kansas. A: I waited until I couldn't hear it anymore, and I looked. He was gone a shorter amount of time than area, if I were to be standing approximately in the closet area inside Q: When Heather was brought into the room, where was she located? I knew I had fallen over once they had kicked A: Sitting next to me, not sitting but on all fours. Q: And these three gentlemen were all roommates then at this location in front of you. us.". and go to school or go to where you were teaching? Five people were killed, and two people, a man and a woman, were severely wounded. Q: Did he immediately return back to the closet? 1/6 is the day Joseph Christopher, who was then in the military, got busted for slashing a fellow serviceman with a knife. any comment or commentary by these individuals regarding that? Q: So it was suitable to individuals to live in various rooms, including Q: Could you tell em what type of weapon this was? outside of the room besides you and Heather? Q: And you observed Brad Heyka at that time? the events of that evening? television? Q: So within that room you described as being in the front of the residence, Q: What happened or what caused you to do that? It was if it was not to their Carr Brothers convicted of brutal murders and sentenced to death A t about 11 PM on the freezing cold night of December 14, 2000, Reginald Carr, 23, and Jonathan Carr, 20, invaded the home of three young Wichita men who had two female guests. A: I went to the L-shaped landing outside, right next to the wet bar. A: We were asked or directed to come out into the wet bar area. of us in the trunk of the car, realized it wasn't going to fit, and Heather that nature? A: We were directed to perform oral sex on each other and then to perform were you able to give a description of the individuals that had been the Q: And did you then talk with an officer there? There is a halogen lamp over Q: Did you note anything else about his clothing? time? The guys were put into the trunk of the car. that the approximate time frame was around 2:07. He said "No, I Q: The occasion when you opened the door and Heather was on the bathroom Q: All right. I believe that we had some discussion about property that was in the residence. A: He didn't ejaculate internally. on the group by the two individuals who had broken into the home? When you refer to Nikki, we know that is the terrier Schnauzer on East Birchwood? Q: And do you know the name of that kind of a weapon? Q: Was there any place for Jason to put his clothes? Holly Glover Schreiber is the name. Q: And at the time that you were in the vehicle, was there any discussion At that time I laid them down on one of the Christmas boxes. were acquainted with the occupants? Q: How did you indicate to them that you had ATM cards? Q: Approximately what time would he have arrived? On September 9, Reginald Carr and his brother Jonathan go on trial for what has become known as the Wichita Massacre. Q: After you had heard that comment, do you know what happened then? Q: Once you were in Jason's room, were there any demands that were made the term it was like Buckwheat. way did you then see Jason, Aaron, and Brad? At about 11 p.m. on the freezing cold night of December 14, 2000, Reginald Carr, 23, and Jonathan Carr, 20, invaded the home of three young Wichita men, who had two female guests. guys got into Aaron's car. Q: Is there some reason Jason was assigned the task of going around we couldn't find my keys, and they couldn't find a car to use, and Jason's Q: Was anyone resistive to the demand that they made? A: Brad's car was parked next to Aaron's. Q: Would it be normal for Heather to stay at that location. hallway area? looking at, or what clock might have been in the immediate area? you entered the room? HG was woken from her sleep shortly after by loud voices and the bedroom door being kicked open. Q: When you initially went to withdraw the money, did you roll the window Q: So at the time when now you and Jason and Aaron would be in the closet, Q: At this time you've indicated there was one male, a tall male that They weren't there. Q: Time wise you said initially you referred to the time as 2:07, the Q: And again, at this time, at 2:07 in the morning, what the conditions Q: When you had last seen it that evening before retiring, had it been A: Pretty much was clear, but it was still very cold and snowy. A: He started to resist, and they struck him over the head with the Q: And do you know to whom that golf club might have belonged? Q: And were you able to continue to observe this individual? Q: Once Heather had been removed from the room, were you able to determine later evening hours of that day? Q: And would this what type of ring would this have been? I didn't see. A: I put on a sweatshirt, a white sweatshirt, and that's it. Should we stick to the previous style of articles or should we continue mixing in violent crimes in the future? A: I believe they were both outside, kind of you're kind of outside, Jason? A: I believe he had on tannish-colored boot, like hiking boot type shoes. Q: And that would have been directly outside of Jason's bedroom, is A: They wanted Aaron to get an erection. A: He said something that scared me, and I kind of jerked, and he told stand. During the time that we've Q: And do you recall once they had left the residence where everyone I had gotten out of the truck and was directed to sit on the Q: In your visiting at that home on Birchwood would you be at that location do it with his girl.". that evening? was located? in the room? looked at me, and then Brad looked at me, and that was it. Brad's keys are usually on Q: When you went to that location on December the 14th, do you remember that were with you in the home and Heather, were there any comments or The Carr brothers forced all of them to strip naked. the fatter of the two? Q: And what did you hear, if anything, at that time? I talked to him for a few minutes. Q: So having distinguished between a revolver and a semiautomatic, could of them? sex with Heather at that time? Q: Was there any discussion at that time with regard to the animal? leather. A: One was just bigger than the other one. they had not found any money and came and asked you for your ATM cards? A: Had you ever used that machine before? 96 Highway and into a road that had like a median in the middle of it. Q: When you started to run that direction, did you travel by the main A: Yes. There is a bedroom upstairs with the master bath your purse had been gone through? A: On my vagina. Q: Were you able to tell if the hairs were separated because they were one stationary -- is that correct? A: When I was turning by the between the time I got in the truck me if I had ever been with a black man before, and I said no. The Carr Brothers forced all of them to strip naked. A: Lights came on at some point, but I don't know when. Q: Could you identify his height, although he was on all fours at the Q: At the time that you began to leave to go to the the ATM, did you you saw this gentleman? Q: Do you know how long it was before those individuals left the immediate any houses? Q: Did you ever get to go and use that television down there? A: There are lamps in the living room. Q: Were they silent or did they participate in some way verbally. A: Yes. hours? Q: Once Jason arrived back at the residence, you said about 9:15, what A: He had the you could make out the outline of the gum lying on and were you aware of the cost of that particular big screen break where the occupants of the home were in Jason's bedroom and at a Q: You told us the names of individuals who were at the residence. Wichita Massacre: Pretrial Testimony THE EIGHTEENTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT DISTRICT COURT, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS CRIMINAL DEPARTMENT TRANSCRIPT OF PRELIMINARY HEARING APRIL 16, 2001 MS. FOULSTON: (Nola Foulston, Sedgwick County District Attorney, begins her examination of H.G.) A: They wanted to know where the phones were in the house, who else black. Heather's Q: Was there any response from these individuals? Q: You indicated that you were visiting with friends at that location. Jan 03, 2019 02:41PM. and anytime I saw headlights, I dove and tried to cover my body in the Loved ones of Wichita massacre victim look back on 20th anniversary Tuesday, December 15th 2020, 8:05 PM CST Updated: Tuesday, December 15th 2020, 8:33 PM CST It's been 20 years since the Carr. And then we stood there in the hallway for Q: I'm going to hand you what's been marked for exhibit purposes as turns off the lights, turned off the porch light, all the lights in the A: No, he was messing, trying to find a radio station, so the clock Q: And during this time did you have any thought with regard to that Q: And then the wet bar would be immediately adjacent to that area, Q: I believe you told us earlier that you thought you had about $500 at approximately 2:00 in the morning, did you see your dog at that point A: I got up and went out to the area that they wanted us to go to. with a girl, and I said no, and he said "Baby, that's all right, you ain't Q: And would it have been facing South directly facing the garage doors? You could hear him making a drink. inches taller than I am. A: I was visiting friends and my boyfriend. both of the intruders were in that area? A: After the guys knelt in front of the car, we were directed out of Q: When you left the residence, do you recall how it was that you walked Q: So the other person in terms of height, were you there side by side that was used? The porch light went on, and Jason was pissed A: He proceeded to do that. people starting with Brad to those ATM machines? A: I backed out of the driveway, turned to go towards 127th street, They were convicted on almost every count, and were sentenced to the death penalty. Q: Was there any description by Aaron as to who Heather was? THE COURT: Of course. Q: And the thinner one of the two was staying there at the residence, of the five people raised their hands? Q: Was she a visitor on regular occasions to that location? Right after that Aaron was brought in by a different black male. Let's take the break now. Jason is gone, where was Heather? time? Jason, is that right? Q: Now, ma'am, directing your attention to the 14th day of December, Q: And were you able to observe at that time what she was being shown? Q: And Brad, when he was brought from downstairs, do you recall what braided or A: They weren't braided. A: Not until about 10:00 when ER was over. see if there were any cars coming. I don't remember what he was wearing. I just don't know exactly what they said. A: He was just kind of thrown onto the bed. And then I realized it wasn't going Q: Do you recall how it was that you were brought from that closet? Were you taken to another location? I am one of two surviving victims of the Carr brothers' December 2000 murderous crime spree in Wichita. you had a safe at the residence? A: I believe it was the fatter of the two. I don't recall which one was asking what at that time. the downstairs? I remember the ambulance people. Q: And did it also occur that an ambulance came and transported you I believe Q: Were your eyes covered in any manner at that time? A: No, I can remember hoping that it didn't go over my head, but I don't We were they just told us to do this trip at Greenwich Road or on the way there, if you recall? Q: When the same individual retrieved Heather, do you have any idea The Carr brothers entered Befort's bedroom brandishing guns with Sander in tow. and I was saying everybody's names. Ed note: So far in this column, we've posted about a genius high school drop-out who conned his way through surgeries and Yale, a cheerleader who masterminded a small town bank robbery with her policeman husband, and a man who hijacked a cargo jet. Q: Were they were they where were you seated or where were you passenger seat of Aaron's Honda, is that right? Q: Was there any statements or indication by him that you were not to A: Yes, there is a window that goes right out to the front steps. you're not going to shoot us or kill us?" Q: When you told them that you didn't have money, did they excuse Q: Can you describe for me, if you will, the clothing that you observed. THE COURT: Ms. Foulston, would this be an appropriate time to break Q: The individuals, men, Brad, Jason, and Aaron, do you were you Q: When Jason returned back to the room, do you recall if you knew where Q: Approximately did the incident occur with Heather and Aaron in that another fence. bar, is that right? Q: Were you aware that either or both of those individuals were armed where she might have been? A: Yes, because the bathroom light was on, and when I opened the door I believe he's the taller of the two. When news of the brothers' arrest was broadcast locally, Andrew Schreiber recognized them as the men who'd kidnapped him a week earlier and contacted the police. And he didn't get back up, but his comment was View the profiles of people named Holly Schreiber. night. Q: Do you recall if there was a key or how were you gaining entry to Q: This would have been sometime after 2:07, correct? A: He ripped the covers off the bed, and I don't remember what he said. out of that ATM, what happened then? that right? Q: When Heather and Aaron were in that area, did you hear anything that There are ceiling lights over the wet go east, and drove up 127th Street to 21st Street and turned left. A: A tall black male standing in the doorway. A: I don't recall. intruders into your home, Jason's home, on East Birchwood? Q: At the time when you and Jason and Aaron were in that area did you They were sentenced in 2002. Q: At the time Brad was looking for the keys, do you know if any lights Carr Brothers convicted of brutal murders and sentenced to death A t about 11 PM on the freezing cold night of December 14, 2000, Reginald Carr, 23, and Jonathan Carr, 20, invaded the home of three young Wichita men who had two female guests. out of the room at this time? Q: I'm going to stop you here for a minute. had on the return trip? No. I was taken out of Aaron's you do not recall? skinny one was standing by the wet bar. what led you to believe it was FUBU? I crossed 96 highway, climbed Q: Approximately how long a period of time did you spend at that ATM Completely nude, she ran barefoot over snow-covered fields for more than a mile until she reached that house with the lights. Q: Did you hear any opening of the door initially? able to see them at the time that you went to bed? Q: Would it be more callously put than that? A: No, I'm assuming she was in Aaron's bedroom. 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